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Folksong is a 25 ′ 1 ″ / 7.7 m monohull sailboat designed by C.J. Johnson and built by Eric Bergqvist Boatbuilder (UK) starting in 1978.

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Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

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Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

Another folkboat variant. Intended to be sold as a bare hull moldings to be completed by owner.

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FolkSong 25 Information

• Thread starter johnjfrake
• Start date 26 Oct 2010
• 26 Oct 2010

I have just purchased a FolkSong 25 with which came a brochure from Eric Berquist which shows the layout of the bulkheads and all sail dimensions. This may interest some other owners, if so just ask and I'll pass on a JPEG of the brochure.  

• 18 Nov 2010

Hi, I would really appreciate a copy of that. [email protected] I am just viewing one at the weekend. Cheers Dean  

Did you see there was a fair bit on the Folksong a few pages back, inc' mention of a possible class association...  

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Folksong 25 Thanks for your good wishes, they are fully reciprocated. Zagato looks a nice boat, how are you transporting her? Calanda is moored at Brighton but am looking for a berth further west as travel to boat is considerably eased by this. Chichester is a possibility depending on cost. There is a lot of work to do before she is sea worthy to my standards but am hoping to make considerable progress over the next few weeks. Calanda has no inboard engine and so that space is available for other stuff such as a water tank and storage. There is zilch in the way of instrumentation and electrics but that is good in a way, I am competent to do them and don't have to put up with other's ideas of how things should work. There are few gelcoat cracks around the mast base (front) and 2 of the stanchion bases which I shall have professionally looked at, my GRP work is robust but not attractive. Best of Luck John  

Sounds like a great project John, great to be able to do the work yourself in the way you specifically want her to be designed and finished. My boat is being towed. The guy was recommended by the Yacht Brokers I bought her through. He is fully insured, tacho etc and is full out with work. The main part for me was his price, half as much as most quotes! His name is Paul Clark Tel. 07855 353916. Chris  

Ubergeekian

Zagato said: This is how it looked in Hollyhead this morning, it will be on the M40 at the moment!! Click to expand...

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Deep water moorings, Chichester etc. John & co, In about 1987 I had a mad moment and sold my beloved Anderson, to get a Carter 30 fin keeler with ideas of living aboard at least some of the time. Marina prices naturally chose that moment to rocket, so Plan B was trying to find a deep water mooring, ideally in Chichester. I tried Hayling Yacht Co, quite good on price at the time but tidally restricted, and one thing to watch is whether one can keep and launch a tender, I found tender access 1/2 tide even if the boat was afloat. Hayling Island S.C, the moorings were so exposed & rough my normal inflatable was too small, and mooring strops had to be replaced every 3 months; nowhere to keep a dinghy ashore, and the slip covered in stones. The clincher was when the moorings launch supposed to go out, refused to pick self & elderly mother up from the mooring as he was tired... Most other moorings around Chichester seemed a lot more expensive, one thought may be Thornham, nice place but very tidally restricted, probably not ideal without an engine either. Next tried Gosport Boatyard with a deep mooring in Spider Lake, Portsmouth. OK, but definitely requires their ( good ) launch service just to get to the boat, miles away and very exposed to thieves & weather, in that order I'd think. I hope you do find a good mooring, but it may become a case of steeling oneself and paying through the nose... Do beware the tender stowage & tidal access problem though. I always regretted selling my Anderson, ( not really for mooring reasons though the fin was expensive & hassle to moor ) she'd been left unused, and by sheer luck & a bit of persistence I was able to buy her back...  

• 20 Nov 2010

Ubergeekian said: Coo, you lucky thing. What a gorgeous boat. A Folksong was on my list when I was looking for anew boat this time last year ... I was very, very tempted but decided to go for something with more accommodation. Click to expand...

I,ve got one too.  

Zagato said: "Uby" What boat did you get in the end? My headroom is 4' 4" at its highest but suits my needs very well Click to expand...

• 21 Nov 2010

Thanks for the pictures. Is that a Proctor mast as it looks the same as mine except it has swept back spreaders? You have answered my question, you have lower stays going fore and aft . My mast only has one insert so I need some kind of junction piece to set this up. I think I might have to have one made. What are the drums at the front of the boat for? Cheers  

I just received some Folksong info that said only 50 boats were made. Is that right?  

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Folksong 25 Classic Sailing Yacht

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The Folksong 25 is a GRP cruiser based on the Folkboat. Its Scandinavian origins are pretty obvious and its a tried-and-tested formula copied in other marques such as the Contessa. Folksongs came as a complete boat or as a bare hull for home finishing and were produced, mostly, in the late 70s and early 80s. The Folksong is sleeker and faster than its forebears and it's a lovely, stiff and sea-kindly classic boat - an absolute pleasure to sail. But I have three boats and this doesn't get sailed at all at the moment (more of that later).

I bought it in 2011 and we sailed it for a couple of seasons on the east coast of Scotland. The previous owner had replaced the original two-tier guardwires with a single tier which disappeared altogether at the bow and my wife became increasingly worried by going forward in a blow. The boat's equipment was getting a bit past its best in any case so I decided to take it out of the water and strip it completely. All of the winches, blocks, cleats, eyes, sheets, control lines - everything except the hull, mast, boom, sails and rudder! - were replaced or refurbished.

The boat had been a less-than-professional home completion version and so even my limited carpentry skills were an improvement! The interior quality was improved by buying the inside of an old Folkboat and using its woodwork to redesign the interior. Though I'm keen on a wood finish, my domestic line-manager wanted it bright inside - thus the yellow paintwork - and then she decided offshore wasn't her thing at all. I finished the boat by converting it to big-loch-sailing.And it hasn't been in the water since because the water level has been too low for its 4' draft! There's no point in it sitting there for another couple of years so it's up for sale.It comes with everything required though I should point out that the pictures show the boat as it lies at the moment - everything removable has been taken out and stored in my shed - hatch covers, cabin sole, table, cushions, Origo cooker, sink, chart table, nav station seat, companionway steps, batteries, solar panel and bracket, boom, whisker pole, sails (inc.

Spinny), tiller, anchor, chain, warp, sheets, guardwires and stanchions, winter full length haulage quality cover - too much stuff for me to remember but they all come with the boat as does, obviously, the trailer, jockey wheel and the cockpit cover.The boat had its engine removed some time in the past (I'm not a great fan of iron sails) but the mounting is still there - adapted as a battery compartment - as is the outboard bracket. The original chainplates (mild steel of all things!) have all been replaced in stainless and the backstay split - rather than the off-set of the original - and renewed, as have the forestay and all the shrouds. The VHF and GPS aerials remain, together with their (renewed) wiring, and a new set of LED nav lights was my way of hanging on to the possibility it would be going off-shore again.The trailer is substantial, with Land Rover wheels and tyres, but the brake connections have been a casualty of the enforced idleness. New rods and adjusters are included in the sale but it's pretty difficult to fit these with the boat still on the trailer! The boat was towed (brakeless) to its present location by a contact with a brakedown truck (the trailer was a couple of inches too wide to go on the back!).

Since it's been sitting roasting in the sun the forward hatch seal has developed a leak and the non-slip deck paint has peeled in some areas (repainted darker blue in the photos). The boat's location (and the mooring it isn't on!) is paid up to mid-October.Enquiries welcome (I have lots of photos), inspection advised.VERY IMPORTANT - please note re payment: the price set is an end-of-season offer to move the boat on before the winter. That price includes everything required to sail the boat satisfactorily - sails, boom, sheets, blocks, spinnaker pole, two-teir guardwires and stanchions, tiller, mooring ropes, anchor and warp, hatches, fenders and, of course, the trailer and jockey wheel. What it won't include is the outboard, solar panel, cooker, battery and off-boat electronics. I'm happy to have a straightforward discussion about that so that a prospective buyer knows exactly what they're getting before they pay and these items will be available for separate purchase.

After inspection I would expect a deposit to secure the boat and then full payment by bank transfer before the boat becomes the buyer's property. NOTE: I will not accept any other forms of payment other than a bank transfer. It really is essential that a prospective buyer views the boat beforehand as she is sold as she lies plus stored additional equipment. I've had too many time-wasters on this to consider any other arrangement. A full bill of sale will be drawn up, with detailed inventory of everything included in the sale.

I'm happy to assist with moving the boat but once sold (i.e. Before it moves) it's the responsibility of the buyer. The boat is fully insured at the moment but that insurance will lapse immediately on sale and subsequent insurance will be the responsibility of the buyer - as will the mooring/storage fees after mid-October. Please ask if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer

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Monday, January 18, 2010

'harrier', a radically modified folksong yacht.

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Wow! You’re a real sailorman dude! I wish I could sail often just like you, going around the world with my favorite boat. CE proofing is what I need to sail like you do. I am looking for the best proofing in the world to customize my boat. My only dream is to sail from coast to coast before I leave this earth. I wish to bring my wife to Europe by travelling with my boat. Imports process keep me at ease that I could still fulfill my dreams of sailing around the world.

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• Boat REF#  ·  222045
• Length  ·  7.67m
• Year  ·  1982
• Construction  ·  GRP
• Underwater profile  ·  Long Keel
• Sleeping berths  ·  4
• Engine  ·  1 x diesel 10hp, Nani Diesel (2008)
• Lying  ·  Suffolk

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Engine hours are Approximated

Sloop rigged Aluminium spars (1982) with Stainless Steel standing rigging (2007)

Both sails are looking tired and would benefit from a valet.

Electrical Systems

12 volt battery, 1 batteries charged by: engine

Construction

Accommodation.

1 burner spirit Stove

4 halyard winches 2 sheet winches 1 anchors (CQR) 41.00m of chain dinghy () (Hard Dinghy)

Nav Equipment

Safety equipment.

2 bilge pumps (2 manual / 0 electric)

1 x Fire Extinguisher

Broker's Comments

The Folksong 25 is a classic long keel cruiser based on the Folkboat and built in GRP. Ideal for single handed sailing with in mast furling, she is an easy to handle yacht that will hold a course with little if any weather helm. The yacht has classic lines and excellent sailing qualities, with a long keel, narrow beam they tend to be well balanced. This one benefits from a modern engine and a tidy interior and looks to be a very well maintained. These boat details are subject to contract. Note: Offers on the asking price may be considered.

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• Boat REF#  ·  104576
• Length  ·  7.70m
• Year  ·  1981
• Construction  ·  GRP
• Underwater profile  ·  Long Keel
• Sleeping berths  ·  2
• Engine  ·  1 x diesel 9hp, Yanmar 1GM10 ()
• Lying  ·  Essex

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Engine professionally serviced, winterised and shaft seals replaced on water pump December 2008 (Not used since). New fuel and oil filters New Impeller Oil Changed Cutlass bearing, propeller and stuffing box replaced. New Aquadrive Coupling also replaced. New Vetus battery 108Amp hour battery June 2008. Jackstays replaced.

Sloop rigged Aluminium spars (1981) with Stainless Steel standing rigging (2005)

The Main sail and Genoa are in good condition. The other sails are in servicable condition. Spinnaker Pole.

Electrical Systems

12 volt battery, 1 batteries charged by: engine, solar panels

Construction

Accommodation.

Accomodation for two adult in the main saloon. There is a small double berth forward that would accomodate one or possible two children. Mattresses & Upholstery replaced 2008. New Orico 2 burner stove 2007.

2 burner spirit Stove

1 halyard winches 2 sheet winches 2 anchors (Danforth & Delta) 12.00m of chain 20.00m of rode Yam 230T dinghy (2003) (Inflatable) Houdini hatch replaced in March 2008. Inflatable Dinghy used for just one season.

Nav Equipment

Plastimo Contest Compass Navman Multi Speed/Depth Clipper GPS Repeater Navico TP100 autopilot IC-M421 DSC VHF Radio interfaced with Garmin GPS152. Combined LED anchor and trilight.

Safety Equipment

4 bilge pumps (2 manual / 2 electric)

Flares (in date till 2012) Fire blanket Guard wires and wire jackstays replaced 2003. MOB Lifesling.

Broker's Comments

The Folksong 25 is a classic long keel cruiser based on the Folkboat but built in GRP. Ideal for single handed sailing, she is an easy to hande yacht that will hold a course with little if any weather helm. The yacht has classic lines and excellent sailing qualities. She also has a narrow beam and limited headroom, not a floating caravan by any streach of the imagination! This yacht is in very well maintianed condition. These boat details are subject to contract. Note: Offers on the asking price may be considered.

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The Folkboat and all the variants of it, from sisterships to distant cousins, enjoy a unique place in the world of classic boats. You don’t have to go far to meet a fan; the further you sail on one, the more you begin to appreciate these deceptively simple-looking boats. The origin of the 1941 design is somewhat controversial to this day; Tord Sunden claimed it as his but the committee that commissioned and oversaw the design process from six original designs took a different view.

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