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Review of Wilderness 21

Basic specs..

The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. And outside the sailing season, just bottom cleaning and perhaps anti-fouling painting once a year - a few hours of work, that's all.

The boat equipped with a fractional rig. A fractional rig has smaller headsails which make tacking easier, which is an advantage for cruisers and racers, of course. The downside is that having the wind from behind often requires a genaker or a spinnaker for optimal speed.

The Wilderness 21 is equipped with a fin keel. The fin keel is the most common keel and provides splendid manoeuvrability. The downside is that it has less directional stability than a long keel.

The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 1.22 - 1.32 meter (4.00 - 4.30 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for Wilderness 21 is 2.35, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races.

What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?

The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 5.6 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Wilderness 21 is about 80 kg/cm, alternatively 448 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 80 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 448 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

Sailing statistics

This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.

What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)?

What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?

What is a Ballast Ratio?

What is Displacement Length Ratio?

What is SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio)?

Maintenance

When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 14m 2 (150 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.

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Wilderness 21

The wilderness 21 is a 20.5ft fractional sloop designed by chuck burns and built in fiberglass by wilderness boat works since 1978., 80 units have been built..

The Wilderness 21 is a light sailboat which is a high performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a racing boat.

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Tinker is sail #6, my little blue Wilderness 21. The first yacht race I ever competed in was the SSS Three Bridge Fiasco in 2005. That year, there were two Wilderness 21 boats, Tinker and Pappy. Pappy finished and I didn't. I'm still trying to figure out all the reasons why I can't ever finish that race. Trust me, January 31, 2009, Tinker will be there with everything I can do to make her sail fast enough to finish the race. I have two problems with Tinker that I'd like to improve before moving on to a larger boat. 1) The rudder is not long enough. I've broached badly a few times. Tinker has never capsized but that would be difficult with a 60% keel/boat weight ratio. I have to keep a lot of weight in the back of the boat to keep the rudder from popping out of the water when going down wind. I don't go forward or the boat will do a quick 90 degree turn to the wind. 2) Sailing into the wind is slow. Maintaining boat speed into the wind is where I loose all the races. With light winds, sometimes I'll creep by bigger boats, but when the bay winds get over 15 knots, everyone leaves me in their dust. It's not just because the boat is only 21 feet long. I've considered hiking out on a trapeze but that would be too much work. Down wind, I could pick up some time if it wasn't so risky banging around with the autopilot trying to keep the boat straight while I'm rigging the spinnaker pole with the rudder popping out of the water. Someone out there has a mold for the 6" longer rudder that I need and I've seen this rudder on the boat Pappy. I'm looking forward to the next time I get to talk with the previous owner of Pappy about the Wilderness 21 improvements he made. I"m going to talk with Bill at Doyle sail makers about a better mainsail and jib for upwind legs and an asymmetrical spinnaker for down wind legs without having to rig the spinnaker pole on this little boat solo. Any suggestions on improving the Wilderness 21 performance for racing would be appreciated. Thanks, Matt

Last edited by Matt; 10-24-2008 at 02:19 PM .

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Hi there Matt: I have a couple of rudders I bought for my unfinished Canting Cab Claw (formerly a J/24) project. Call my cell 510-681-4927 if you are interested in trying them out. I will even help with boat for boat testing against Blueberry if that will help you. tune Tinker. I understand your position as perhaps no one else in the fleet does. Here is why: My boat is Blueberry, the Nonsuch 22 rated PHRF 246 shown in the table extracted from the NorCal PHRF ratings. I started racing in January 2008 in the Three Bridge Fiasco, and no, I did not finish either. Race after race, I too share the experience of watching the SSS and YRA fleets sail away from me. But hey, I have a cruising version of a Finn dinghy, with standing headroom and a walk in head below. My PHRF ratingof 246 reflects all that. Sure, if I am ever a lottery winner, I might show up in Kame's Pinapple Sails loft and order a fully battened carbon main (the only sail my cat rigged boat has). I have to ask myself the follow up question: then what? Look at that PHRF table further down in this message: The two modified Cal 20's made as much as a 10% improvement in their PHRF predicted performance. They are still not rated as fast as a Santanna 22. They are still likely to finish well behind the fleet in YRA and SSS PHRF races. As I have learned in my first racing season (I have been sailing, though not racing for 61 years) wind holes and wind shifts in YRA and SSS races can produce really anomalous results. In the light air YRA Vallejo 1 race I finished boat for boat ahead of the whole Santana 22 fleet. ( OK, OK, so I played the edge of the mud with my forward looking sonar to do so....(grin)...) On the Sunday a front came through, the race back was sail shredding windy with a really nasty wind wave against me in San Pablo bay. All of the Santana 22 fleet did a horizon job on me. As for upwind performance, in the light air of the Oakland Estuary beer can races, Blueberry does rather well. On the other hand in the light air upwind race to Half Moon bay against a lumpy combination of left over swells and wind waves, no boat over PHRF 200 finished on time. Blueberry missed out by something like 20 minutes. The bottom line, for me is that I have a peaceful acceptance of my racing situation. This is the SSS, with mostly single handed sailing, with some races as double handed as well. The example of the Single Handed Transpac fleet has not been lost on me. I have a wonderful time out there, even in races like the SSS Vallejo 2 when the last two of us (the other was a Folkboat) to finish "relieved the boredom" of the race committee at the finish line. Some example PHRF ratings Hana Pau PHRF 273 CAL 20 Freja PHRF 252 Folkboat Can O' Whoopass PHRF 249 CAL 20 MOD Blueberry PHRF 246 Nonsuch 22 Tappo Piccolo PHRF 240 Cal 20 MOD Tchoupitoulas PHRF 234 Santana 22 Tinker PHRF 225 Wilderness 21 John Blueberry, Nonsuch 22, Sail #48

I've noticed that most Wilderness 21's sit, unloaded, a bit bow-down in the water. I'd always assumed that Chuck Burns designed it that way so that the boat would be optimal with 160 -300 pounds sitting in the cockpit. However, I can guess that if you go wandering out to the pointy end of the boat, you're going to A.) get wet and B.) wave the tail end of the boat around in the air a lot. How to fix this? No answer, except the suggestion of "never go forward of the mast". Not sure if the Wilderness is light enough to really benefit by an assymmetrical spinnaker, but you might take a close look at how the Ultimate 20's do it, and see if you can't try that out. Tinker is beautifully laid out, I must say. Thanks for the mini-tour of your boat this season.

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Wing & Wing with the Symmetrical Spinnaker

Thanks for the great feedback John. I'll give you a ring about the rudder. You are right Alan, Never go forward of the mast seems to be my best bet for now. I've had some scarry instances of the boat spinning around while trying to rig the spinnaker pole solo. In the Vallejo 1-2 race going to Vallejo I flew my symmetrical spinnaker without a pole. One Clew went to right behind the roller furler on a pulley so I could let it go if needed. One Clew had two very long sheets to jibe inside the forestay. This worked very well until the wind picked up and the boat started rolling in the swells a bit too much. I kept myself and the mainsail on the other side of the boat from the spinnaker for balance. I'm big enough to balance the roll when the wind isn't too strong. Wing and Wing with the symmetrical spinnaker is a little unsafe but a nice asymmetrical rigged on a little improvised bow sprit in front of the forestay might be a little safer for downwind racing solo. I also like the way those Ultimate 20's take off on a broad reach. The Wilderness isn't much heavier than an Ultimate 20 but the keel design might not lend itself to be lifted up in the front. Upwind, that Cal 20 Can O Wopass was impressive in the YRA HDA races. With one person hiked out on the trapeze and running the symmetrical spinnaker in 20+ knot winds and great teamwork, this double handed team kicked some Wopass. I figured that with a little longer extension pole off the tiller and a trapeze, I could flatten out the Wilderness 30-45 degree heel into the wind with the sails tight. Another risky prospect that I might think about 3x before trying out. The best boat speed for the Wilderness into the wind, I've found to be at less than 25 degree heel. That flat V on the front smacks the waves if I'm heeled over too much and slows me down. I can't quite get to the right heel over angle with the sails overpowered. I roll up the front sail to 100% instead of 125% and have installed a traveller which helps a bit to control the heel over angle. I'll keep messing around to see what works. Racing against Blueberry this last year has been great for me guaging how well I'm doing with little performance tweeks. I'll see you out there. Thanks for your replies and let me know if anything comes to mind for improvements that might help.

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Go to Wilderness 21, 1978 at [email protected] Register / Login A password will be e-mailed to you Reset Password WILDERNESS 21 More information, image gallery, floor plans. Use the form below to contact us! Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts. Sailboat Guide 1985 21' Wilderness 21 Description Seller's Description 3 jibs, 1 spinnaker,1 mainsail,new cushions,new traveler assembly, mast has a tabernacle system. New tires on trailer.new trailer wiring and lights. Rig and Sails Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations. The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more. Classic hull speed formula: Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL Sail Area / Displacement Ratio A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more. SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3 SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay). D : Displacement in pounds. Ballast / Displacement Ratio A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize. Ballast / Displacement * 100 Displacement / Length Ratio A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds. LWL: Waterline length in feet Comfort Ratio This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more. Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 ) D: Displacement of the boat in pounds LOA: Length overall in feet Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet Capsize Screening Formula This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more. CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64) The WILDERNESS 21 was also built as the BURNS 21 after Wilderness Boat Works went out of business. This listing is presented by SailboatListings.com . Visit their website for more information or to contact the seller. View on SailboatListings.com Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. About Sailboat Guide ©2024 Sea Time Tech, LLC This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. Forum Listing Marketplace Advanced Search All Topics Sailing General Sailing Discussions SailNet is a forum community dedicated to Sailing enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about sailing, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, repairs, reviews, maintenance, and more! Sail maker identification please Add to quote Attached is a photo of the "emblem" on my main and jib sails. I think that these are the original sails. My boat is a Wilderness 21 sailboat. There are no other emblems or printed text on the sail. Does anyone know the name of the sail maker from looking at this emblem? Thanks. Hal Nash Waldport OR   Attachments That looks like Neil Pryde, although I don't recall Neil Pride having the red dot in the middle.   After looking at hundreds of Neil Pryde sails via a Google Images search, I'm also wondering if my sails are made by someone other than Neil Pryde. Anyone else got any ideas?   It is intended to be a bullseye logo....first clue. How old are the sails   Hmm... of course it's a bullseye logo...??? And the bullseye is the only clue I've got. The first Wilderness 21 was made in 1980... about 80 were built, plus maybe a few more "Burns 21" were made when Wilderness Boatworks went under... probably no later than 1985.   Do you need new sails or are you just researching?   No, I don't need a new sail. Just wanting to know the maker of the sails. I am thinking of having the mainsail altered a bit. I also have a newer main made by North Sails that will remain unaltered. In case anyone is curious, I'm thinking of raising the boom about 8 inches, therefore having to alter the mainsail. Another local W21 owner had it done on his. I'm 6'2" tall and tired of getting conked on the head. If I knew the original sailmaker, I was thinking about contacting them to do the alteration.   Target?? DUH! Your boat is a 21 footer? Grab Mama's Singer and give Sailrite a call. You can do all the work yourself, learn all sorts of sail making terms, lacerate your fingers and earn bragging rights, all at the same time! Oh, and save big bucks! A few years ago, my lovely bride and I made a mainsail for our Lancer 25. There was nothing in that sail that her Kenmore, circa 1980, couldn't bull its way through. PM me if you are interested in more info. Don   I thought of Target also. I'm all thumbs when it comes to sewing... I've got plenty of experience.. enough to know that sewing is out of my league for DIY. But thanks for the offer!   ?             176.3K members Top Contributors this Month 267 IMAGES Wilderness 21, 1978, Canyon Lake, Texas, sailboat for sale from Sailing Wilderness 21ft., 1979, Jackson, Mississippi, sailboat for sale from Wilderness 21 Wilderness 21 Wilderness 21 Wilderness 21 Sailboat with Trailer for Sale in Felton, CA VIDEO First Time Sailing our Beneteau Oceanis Ep.3 STABILIZED & ZOOMED-IN: Whale Jumps and Crashes Onto Boat Sailing Lake Thurmond Ben Rector Наш самолет МС-21 Запредельные крены и безумные виражи Sailing a San Juan 21 on a windy day. Watts Bar Lake Oct. 2019 COMMENTS WILDERNESS 21 Wilderness Boat Works (USA) Designer: Chuck Burns: Sailboat Calculations Definitions S.A. / Displ.: 21.98: Bal. / Displ.: 57.22: Disp: / Len: 149.28: ... The WILDERNESS 21 was also built as the BURNS 21 after Wilderness Boat Works went out of business. Sailboat Forum. View All Topics: Wilderness 21 The WILDERNESS 21 was also built as the BURNS 21 after Wilderness Boat Works went out of business. Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. Wilderness 21 is a 20′ 6″ / 6.3 m monohull sailboat designed by Chuck Burns and built by Wilderness Boat Works starting in 1978. Wilderness 21 Wilderness 21 Sailboat. It's been a very fun boat for single handing, doubles and occasionally more. ... Greetings. My Wilderness 21 has no lifelines, and probably never had them. I would like to start participating in some coastal racing where lifelines are required. Looking at some of the photos, it looks like some folks have a stern pulpit ... Anyone familiar with Wilderness 21?? 1,595. SF Bay Area. Aug 31, 2004. #6. I love those little boats. I taught sailing on two of them back in the mid 90's. My first singlehanded jaunts were on my Cal 20 and on the schools Wilderness 21's. There's one that competes pretty regularly in the SSS right now. Amy Boyer did the Singlehanded TransPac and the Mini TransAT in a Wilderness 21 ... Review of Wilderness 21 The Wilderness 21 is equipped with a fin keel. A boat with a fin keel is more manoeuvrable but has less directional stability than a similar boat with a full keel. The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 1.22 - 1.32 meter (4.00 - 4.30 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below. Wilderness 21 The Wilderness 21 is a 20.5ft fractional sloop designed by Chuck Burns and built in fiberglass by Wilderness Boat Works since 1978. 80 units have been built. The Wilderness 21 is a light sailboat which is a high performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a racing boat. Wilderness Boat Works Wilderness Boat Works (also known as Wilderness Yachts) was an American boat manufacturing company in Santa Cruz, California producing hand laid fiberglass monohull masthead sloops.They produced three boat designs, the 21 foot, 30 foot, and 40 foot Wilderness. Run by Lynn Daugherty and John Josephs, the shop opened in the 1970s, first producing the Wilderness 21. Wilderness Boat Works closed ... WILDERNESS 21 WILDERNESS 21, designer Chuck Burns, builder Wilderness Boat Works, Fin w/spade rudder, Fiberglass, Fractional Sloop, 20.5 feet Specifications WILDERNESS 21 WILDERNESS 21 Sailboat Data Hull Type: Fin w/spade rudder Rigging Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 20.50 ft / 6.25 m LWL: 17.75 ft / 5.41 m S.A. (reported): 208.00 ft² / 19.32 m² Beam: 7.25 ft / 2.21 m Displacement: 1,870.00 lb / 848 kg Ballast: 1,070.00 lb / 485 kg… Wilderness 21 Racing Performance 174. Wilderness 21 Racing Performance. Hi there Matt: I have a couple of rudders I bought for my unfinished Canting Cab Claw (formerly a J/24) project. Call my cell 510-681-4927 if you are interested in trying them out. I will even help with boat for boat testing against Blueberry if that will help you. tune Tinker. Wilderness 21 Sailboat Western Flyer is a 1979 Wilderness 21 sailboat from Newport, Oregon. Skip to main content Search. Search This Blog Wilderness 21 Sailboat Information and experiences with my 1979 Wilderness 21 sailboat Posts. Featured January 23, 2024 Ocean Weather Data Sources for Newport Oregon. wilderness 21 Archives The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. Wilderness 21, 1978, Canyon Lake, Texas, sailboat for sale from Sailing Go to Sailing Texas classifieds for current sailboats for sale. Wilderness 21, 1978. #45. Designed by Chuck Burns and mfg in Santa Cruz California. Fiberglass Hull with Teak handrails on cabin. 1,070 Fixed Keel. Adjustable Tiller Extension. Genoa Gear with Internal Tracks. Lewmar # 8 Genoa Winches. WILDERNESS 21 Blue Water Surf Value Rank (BWSVR) 7240. Capsize Comfort Value Rank (CCVR) 1985 21' Wilderness 21 1985 21' Wilderness 21. Felton, California, United States. Listed Sep 3. Expired. $5,500 USD. Save. Share. Share. SMS. Email. Facebook. Twitter. Pinterest. Print. More. Photos; ... The WILDERNESS 21 was also built as the BURNS 21 after Wilderness Boat Works went out of business. This listing is presented by SailboatListings.com. Visit their ... US 21, anybody know about these?? I am looking on info for US21 sailboat manufactured by US yachts? Anybody familiar with these? Also, does anybody know the PHRF rating for this boat? I am contemplating purchase of one. Thanks in advance for any info. Wilderness 21 This is the first time Wilderness-21Patty2 has posted — let's welcome them to our community! This topic has 1 reply, 2 views, and was last updated 1 year ago by Bruce_Sailboatdata . Creator Wilderness 21 21 feet fast sail boat designed by Chuck Burns and built by Wilderness Boat Works. Find Keel, Fractional Sloop. Quantum sails. 1 main. 1 jib. 1 120 Genoa 1 150 Genoa 1 spinnaker with pole Main, jib and 1 Genoa are tape drive. Top of the line Displacement 1870 lbs Ballast 1070 lbs Construction: Fibre Glass. Freedom 21 Used sailboat are cheap; the freedom 21 will be 40 percent less in two months as winter rolls in. Save some of your Christmas tree money for one. They are not going anywhere. Last edited: Yesterday at 10:58 AM. Great Red Shark Super Anarchist. 8,750 1,013 Honolulu. Yesterday at 11:17 AM VIDEO: Missing 7-year-old girl lost in wilderness overnight ... A missing 7-year-old girl who got lost in the wilderness in Washington overnight was carried to safety by deputies last month. ... Searchers safely brought Shelby down and took her by boat to be ... Sail maker identification please My boat is a Wilderness 21 sailboat. There are no other emblems or printed text on the sail. Does anyone know the name of the sail maker from looking at this emblem? Thanks. ... The first Wilderness 21 was made in 1980... about 80 were built, plus maybe a few more "Burns 21" were made when Wilderness Boatworks went under... probably no later ... catamaran gulet motorboat powerboat riverboat sailboat trimaran yacht