seaward 22 sailboat

An updated version of the Seaward

Min./max. draft: Bridge clearance: Power: B/D ratio:

21' 9" 24' 6" 20' 7" 2' 1" 30' 0"

outboard 6 to 8 hp 33%

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Years produced: Sail area: Fuel tankage: Water tankage:

Nick Hake Hake Yachts 1989-2003 240 sq. ft. portable portable

Approx. trailering wgt.: 3,700 lbs.

The Seaward 23 (22) is a transformed version of the 22 reported on the previous page, though with the same waterline and the same basic hull structure . The centerboard on the 22 has been replaced with a very shallow fixed keel with wings, which, with a draft of just over two feet, is not likely to be very close-winded. There's a choice of rigs, either a fully battened cat rig with a big roach set on a freestanding carbon-fiber mast (inset), or a conventional sloop rig featuring a self-tacking jib. The sales brochure mentions a Yanmar diesel but doesn't give the size (which we assume is minimal) or say whether buyers can choose an outboard and omit the diesel. (We assume they can.) The sales brochure shows a wheel rather than the older 22's tiller; based on a cockpit configuration very similar to the older 22, we assume a tiller can be substituted (which we recommend doing for this size boat). Best features: The stern pulpit includes "catbird stern seats" on the quarters, for sightseeing while motoring along rivers. Hardware is upper-end quality. Other good features are the same as for the older 22. Worst features: Also the same as for the older 22.

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The Seaward 22 is a 22.0ft fractional sloop designed by Nick Hake and built in fiberglass by Hake Yachts (Seaward) since 1985.

The Seaward 22 is a light sailboat which is a good performer. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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Seaward 23 Used Boat Review

Posted April 5, 2017

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To some sailors, the term “pocket cruiser” is simply a euphemism for “small and cramped,” but for others, size, systems, and abundant accommodations simply get in the way of their enjoyment of our sport. They appreciate a versatile boat, able to get to out of the way places whether access is by land or by water. For these sailors, the Seaward 23 could be the perfect solution. 

Since he designed and built his first boat, the 19-foot Seaward Fox in 1976, Nick Hake of Hake Yachts (formerly Starboard Yacht Company) has remained committed to the “pocket cruiser” sailor.

The Seaward 23, designed by Hake, was introduced in 1986 and remained in production until 2002, when it was dropped from the line, presumably because it was just too close in size to the company’s Seaward 25 model. There were only a few changes over those production years—the most notable being that early models are absent the one-and-a-half-foot-long bow pulpit found on later models. The round opening ports in the cabin side featured on early models were later replaced by rectangular ports. 

The Seaward 23 has a well-proportioned shape with a nearly plumb bow, an apparent but not exaggerated sweep to the sheer, a bit of classic tumblehome sectional shape at the transom, and an outboard rudder. To my eye, this is a handsome little boat.

The hull is constructed of a solid layup of fiberglass cloth and resin reinforced with foam-cored stringers and a series of fiberglass liners. Seaward does not use plywood or balsa wood reinforcement in any areas. Where reinforcement is needed for stiffness, a PVC foam core is used. The result is a strong, stiff, and quite light hull. The hull and deck are joined on an outward flange with adhesive sealant and stainless steel bolts on six-inch centers. Opening ports are stainless steel rather than plastic found on most boats in this size and price range, and all deck hardware is high quality stainless steel.

Standard equipment on the Seaward 23 included a tiller-steered, transom-hung rudder; although pedestal-mounted wheel steering was offered as an option and is commonly found on used models. I personally prefer the tiller in the small cockpit of this 23-footer, because it can be raised out of the way when not in use. There are welded stainless steel bow and stern rails and a life line supported by stanchions along the side deck. The bow pulpit on 1989 and newer models adds a convenient storage point and helps prevent damage to the plumb bow when raising the anchor. 

There is a secure bulwark around the foredeck with hawse pipes rather than chocks used to fairlead mooring lines to deck-mounted cleats. These are features more commonly found on larger boats, and they provide an added level of safety and security to the Seaward 23.

Below deck, the accommodations are about the same as could be expected to be found on a 27-foot cruiser shrunk to fit into a 23-foot package. Not all are practical. For example, the“genuine privacy… for changing clothing” that Hake emphasizes is accomplished by using a solid door to separate the V-berth from the main cabin. In fact, you’d have to be a contortionist or 12-year-old in order to close the door and accomplish a change. The head is below the V-berth—not a very practical location on a “pocket cruiser” once you’ve turned in for the night. For some unknown reason, there are two sinks—one at the galley and one adjacent to the head. Only one is necessary, and the space of the forward sink could have been better used to enlarge the settee. 

On the plus side, there is ample sitting headroom at the port and starboard settees in the main cabin, good storage below, a table that drops down from the forward bulkhead, and a small but efficient galley next to the companionway.

Standard auxiliary power was an outboard installed on a transom bracket, although a nine-hp, single cylinder Yanmar inboard diesel engine was an option often selected by original purchasers. 

Regular readers of these reviews may recall that I am not particularly fond of low-aspect shoal draft keels. And, with only a hair over two feet of draft, it would be difficult to find a more shoal draft fixed keel sailboat than the Seaward 23. There is no doubt windward sailing performance suffers when draft is reduced to this degree. That said, when shallow draft is a requirement, there are some benefits of low-aspect shoal draft keels. For many these will outweigh any disadvantages. Low-aspect shoal keels are certainly less prone to maintenance concerns than swing keel, keel centerboard, or water ballasted installations used to accomplish the same reduced draft and trailerability. 

The displacement/length ratio of the Seaward 23 is quite low at 131, and sail area/displacement ratio is moderate at 19.7. To her credit, it does not take a whole gale to get the Seaward 23 moving. And, while reaching is definitely her strong point of sail, she will sail to windward quite well if not overpowered.

Generally, used Seaward 23s are slightly more expensive than similar sized models from Hunter and Catalina and less expensive than the quite similar Com-Pac 23. Recently four Seaward 23s were offered for sale at www.yachtworld.com with asking prices that ranged from $14,900 to $19,900. All listings included trailers; two were powered by inboard diesel engines, and two were outboard powered. The limited access web site www.soldboat.com recorded three recent sales ranging from $8000 for a 1991 model to $17,000 for a 2001 model.

If you’re attracted to the advantages offered by trailerable sailboats, the Seaward 23 is a practical choice that is light enough to be pulled by a full size vehicle or small pickup and available with an inboard diesel engine not typical on this type of boat. 

Reviewed in the November 2006 issue of SpinSheet by Jack Hornor

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does anyone have any knowledge about this sailboat? I have searched high and low and just cant find that much info on a 1986 seaward 22. looks to be a well built boat from pics but asking to see if anyone has some hands on knowledge, the good and the bad.  

Happycampers said: does anyone have any knowledge about this sailboat? I have searched high and low and just cant find that much info on a 1986 seaward 22. looks to be a well built boat from pics but asking to see if anyone has some hands on knowledge, the good and the bad. Click to expand

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Opinions: Seaward 23 or Catalina 22 or other suggestions?

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Hi! New to the forum. We have been researching and looking at getting a trailerable sailboat for some time now. In terms of what we are looking for use wise. We live near the lower Hudson River along the Hudson Highlands so we would probably principally be sailing on the river. We will probably start out just using the trailer but may switch to keeping it moored. There are a couple clubs/marinas near us that are an option. That being said we want the capability to trailer the boat up to other lakes in New York. Lake Champlain, Oneida Lake, and the Finger Lakes would be some on our list along with Long Island Sound. It would be nice (once we have the confidence in our own abilities) to have enough boat to handle being in and among the area around Mount Desert Island in Maine as we vacation up there frequently. It would usually be the two of us but it would be nice to have enough boat to take out two other adults on for the day. Also the capability to stay overnight with just two people on the boat would be nice. We want a good first boat to learn on with the goal of eventually upgrading to something larger that could handle coast cruising if we fall in love with sailing. That being said it would be nice to also get something initially that we end really liking. We have talked about how it would be nice to hold on to the trailerable boat since it is a lot faster to get a trailerable boat to distant spots. So far the two boats that have caught our eyes are first the Catalina 22. It seems like it is widely regarded as a nice starter boat and the ubiquitous trailer sailer. The two complaints I seem to see regarding it is the low companionway makes it prone to possible flooding from the cockpit and some seem dubious on the swing keel variants. The second is the Seaward 23. I haven’t seen many complaints regarding these boats. The price seems higher on average than the Catalina 22 but I’m not surprised by that. The bottom of the companionway is at least level with the cockpit seats rather than below like the Catalina. I do wonder how the wing keel is for loading versus the swing keel on the Catalina? The opinions I have seen tend to vary? For that matter anyone have any other suggestions besides these two? I have been researching a fair amount but I am open to suggestions. The Oday 22 has come up several times.  

Worrying about cockpit flooding is not something you should be thinking about, if the weather and water is that bad you should not be out there. And if you were you would have the drop boards in place. C 22 is a good choice but for 4 adults it would be quite intimate. Unless you really love towing and spending time rigging and derigging, trailer sailing gets real old real quick. But that is my opinion. Some people love it!  

I don't know the Seawind 23, but I just looked it up at it's 3' longer and nearly a foot beamier than a Catalina 22. I'm on my third year with a Catalina 22. As I posted recently on this forum it seems a few feet too small when we're spending the night, but it seems a few feet too big when I have to trailer it! If nothing goes wrong it takes me a bit over an hour to take it out of the lake and get it on the trailer, and about two hours going the other direction. It's not something I'd want to do very often, although I'm sure the more you do it the quicker it goes. I've heard some people say it takes them 30 minutes on each end, but this sounds terribly optimistic to me. A Catalina 22 is a great size for four people for a day sail or a meal. We've sailed with six adults a few times and that was getting crowded, but four adults works fine. My wife and I spend the night sometimes. It's cozy, but fun. We put boards across the cabin and sleep crosswise on the boat. The v-berth is just for storage. Note: I am 5' 9" and she is shorter. If you are a tall people it might not work as well for you. It's my first boat, and it's a great first boat because of all the support. There are over 15,000 of them so if you have a question or a problem it's likely someone else has had the same issue and the answer is out there on the internet. Catalina Direct is a great source for replacement parts. I would not worry about the swing keel. It's a good, strong design and is responsible for a lot of the popularity of the boat.  

Minnesail said: I don't know the Seawind 23, but I just looked it up at it's 3' longer and nearly a foot beamier than a Catalina 22. Click to expand...

If nothing goes wrong it takes me a bit over an hour to take it out of the lake and get it on the trailer, and about two hours going the other direction. It's not something I'd want to do very often, although I'm sure the more you do it the quicker it goes. I've heard some people say it takes them 30 minutes on each end, but this sounds terribly optimistic to me. Click to expand...

A Catalina 22 is a great size for four people for a day sail or a meal. We've sailed with six adults a few times and that was getting crowded, but four adults works fine. Click to expand...

My wife and I spend the night sometimes. It's cozy, but fun. We put boards across the cabin and sleep crosswise on the boat. The v-berth is just for storage. Note: I am 5' 9" and she is shorter. If you are a tall people it might not work as well for you. Click to expand...

It's my first boat, and it's a great first boat because of all the support. There are over 15,000 of them so if you have a question or a problem it's likely someone else has had the same issue and the answer is out there on the internet. Catalina Direct is a great source for replacement parts. Click to expand...

Have you considered the O'Day 25' swing keel ? There are 2 of them at the Nyack Boat Club, one of them races. It is also trailer-able. The fixed keel version would make trailering more of a challenge (eg, deep ramps). Show up at NBC at 5pm on a Wednesday as skippers gather and look for crew for races that start at 6:30pm. I'll most likely be there.  

Thanks for the reply! I really liked the O'Day 25 when I looked at it early on. I also looked at the Catalina 25 with the swing kneel. I liked the Oday 25 more but figure it might be a bit too much boat. The Oday is 500 lbs lighter... but still figuring boat, trailer, and gear it would be pushing the limits of my tow vehicle. I have a V8 4x4 Dodge Dakota with the quad cab so towing is rated at 6,800 lbs or 7,150 lbs... Seen both numbers in Dodge publications on the truck... and can never get a straight answer on which to believe. I haven't done much sailing at all expect a few times in college so I'm still very much learning... but done a lot of towing and being right near or at towing capacity is something I try to avoid. The truck has nice rated towing capacity for something that isn't a 1/2 ton truck but I try to keep in mind that it isn't a full size in terms of the weight of the truck. Also the ramps concern me on the Hudson for something that large. Newburgh has a nice deep ramp even at low tide but Beacon, Cornwall, Wappingers, and Poughkeepsie are all shallow and pretty nasty ramps expect at high tide. I don't think I would even trust Wappingers at high tide having seen it at low tide. Saw a boat tear off its inboard's skeg and chew the prop to pieces at Poughkeepsie a few weeks ago because they misjudged the tides and tried to load.  

CJ, I don't know the Seaward 23, so this is not a comparison. My niece, however, owned a Catalina 22 for about 5 years. It was a great boat. Plenty large for daysailing with 4 adults, and roomy enough for a couple overnight - thinking small. It sails well and is quite stiff in 15 knots of wind (reef at 15). I was always a bit concerned for her in wind over 20 knots. When sailed properly, reefed, etc. it is good in a blow, but I was happiest when she avoided that type of wind. This is common on this size of boat, especially one that is trailerable.  

The Capri 22 is a better sailing boat than either of the above mentioned, it does come in a wing keel variety, so suffers from your same drawbacks as the seaward 23... but the sailing characteristics are superior to either of the above. Also the cockpit for the Capri 22 is huge... the space below is tighter than the Cat 22, but the berths are large... Also consider a Precision 23, its a shoal/centerboard configuration. Lots of room below, probably more space than the Cat 22, or Capri 22, but about the same as the Seaward 23. Oday 23, or Oday 222. Starwind 223 are some others that come to mind. If you want deluxe durable, and classy, consider the Compac Yachts 23. kind of a cruiser/heavy slow boat though.  

SHNOOL said: Also consider a Precision 23, its a shoal/centerboard configuration. Lots of room below, probably more space than the Cat 22, or Capri 22, but about the same as the Seaward 23. Click to expand...

If you want deluxe durable, and classy, consider the Compac Yachts 23. kind of a cruiser/heavy slow boat though. Click to expand...

The Catalina will be quicker and probably cheaper - as a first boat I would go with it - sails well to its rating if you ever get into racing.  

The nice thing about the O'day 25' swing keel model is it draws around 2' with the board up. Much easier to launch & load than something with a 3'+ deep keel. Towing capacity/safety is always a concern which you seem to firmly grasp. Have fun. Be safe.  

Calebdisangry said: The nice thing about the O'day 25' swing keel model is it draws around 2' with the board up. Much easier to launch & load than something with a 3'+ deep keel. Towing capacity/safety is always a concern which you seem to firmly grasp. Click to expand...

Lots of people have enjoyed owning a Catalina 22' as a first trailer sailor boat. Nothin' wrong with that.  

I can tell you from experience that you do not want to sail a Catalina 22 or a Seaward 23 with six people. You will be sitting shoulder to shoulder, with no room to haul on jib sheets or move much at all. Even with four people, everyone has to be ready to move and help with every tack. That's just the way it is. All of the boats mentioned here would be great starter trailer sailers. The swing keel or centerboard boats are better for trailering for obvious reasons. I've said it before on this and other forums, but it bears repeating: the Oday keel/centerboard design is better than the Catalina swing keel design. With the Oday, all of the ballast is in the stub keel; the centerboard is lightly weighted and easily controlled with one line that is lead to the cockpit. You always know the position of the board just by looking at the pendent line. With the Catalina, all of the boat's ballast is in the swinging keel; it does mean a lower COG, but you have all of the ballast hanging by one pin. And, because the keel weighs a lot, you need a crank to raise and lower the keel. This mechanism is one more thing that needs maintenance and can break. Not to mention that the only way you can know the position of the keel is to fully raise or lower it. There is no way to see where the keel is positioned without doing so. One other factor in favor of the Oday's (I'm including the 22, 23 and 25 here): the head is behind a real door. If you want to use the head in the Catalina 22, you are out in the middle of the cabin with no privacy. Some people have rigged up a curtain, but that didn't cut it with my wife. Never, I repeat never underestimate the value of this feature to the ladies. That all being said, the C22 is the most popular production cruising sailboat ever for good reason: a forgiving sailer with good performance and solid value. And Catalina is still in business, supporting the boats. Oday is long gone. I have owned a C22 and currently own an Oday 23. I just like the Oday better. YMMV  

Thanks! There is something to be argued for the KISS principle. So can see your logic on the swing keel and have seen plenty of threads on having to refit the swing keels on the Catalina. No argument on the head on the two... though will say the lady looked at both boats... muttered slightly about the head arrangement on the Catalina.... and then declared the O'Day to be tubby looking... *shrug* so the two broke about even for her. So no objection there on her part. Though can easily see how it would be favored by many ladies for that reason. The Catalina 22s we have looked at are mostly the New Designs. So have contemplated the feasibility of removing the partial bulkhead and replacing it with an arrangement similar to the O'Day. I guess my two questions would be... 1) How forgiving is the O'Day compared to the Catalina with the swing keel? That is going to matter a lot more to the lady because she isn't big on anything resembling a thrill ride. 2) How much harder is the O'Day to get on and off a trailer with the stub keel vs the Catalina with the smoother bottom?  

I'd be happy to talk to you about a West Wight Potter 19... Only weights in at about 1300 lb with out board. Draft is 8 inches with the dagger board up, and about 30 inches with it down---it weighs about 400 lb steel. Sleeps four really good friends, has porta-pottie, and rudimentary galley. Very stable boat designed to heel no more than 10 degrees, but you can heel a lot more if you want to. Iv you heel too much it will pop up and head into the wind. Capsizes are very very rare and the only ones I ever heard of was where somebody forgot to put the board down. Sails in more wind that you will tolerate(way more than a Catalina or a Seward), if you reef the sails. My main has two reef points, and the jib is 110% lapper that is roller furled. All lines run to the cockpit, and you can drop the sails without leaving the cockpit. But this might be too small for you, even if you can launch about anywhere, and pull it with a small SUV. I use a Pontiac Torrent(called a Chevy Equinox now) AWD that tows a max of 3500 lb.  

Hi Aegis- To some extent the answer is in what tow vehicle you have. The C22 can be towed with a big car, or in our case - a V6 Minivan. You will need a truck for the Precision. Also, my experience is that a wing keel is slower. I have sailed our C22 on the Hudson for 5 years now. We also take her to Lake George, Long Island sound and as far away as Wickford Rhode Island. Honestly I cannot think of a boat better suited for that variety of trips. Ours is in the Hudson right now but we have 2 weeks reserved in August to camp on an island in Lake George. You will want a boarding ladder. Our Catalina came with a great 4 step flip down ladder mounted on the transom. Great for swimming. Also I got one with the nice solid blue interior cushions. Sounds minor but I don't like the 1970's plaid. C22 is not that fast, but okay - a little too small for sleeping,Fairly stable. It's not a tank, its light and basic but it is enough boat that you feel safe, in a predictable way. The bridge across the cockpit is high enough - scuppers right underneath. The scuppers are too small but we have never had a problem. trailering sucks, I hate it and I hate putting the mast up and rigging. It is always tough. Prices are cheap! There is a Precision 23 at my boat yard that hasn't moved in years and would probably be given to you, looks rugged...but I wouldn't want to trailer it, its a beast.  

I had a Jaguar 22 which is the UK clone of the Catalina 22. It was an excellent first 'big' boat. I trailed mine all over the UK and down to the Med. two things. Launching and recovering a swing keel boat like the C 22 will be a great deal easier than anything with a fixed wing keel. This would be the key decision point for me. In the UK people with fixed keel boats of similar size usually needed a crane. If you have a choice of boats and one has a 4 wheel trailer pick the 4 wheeler. I managed with the two wheel trailer but had an exceptionally good tow car. [Citroen CX] The good times I had with my jag 22 lead up to me retiring onto a 44 ft cutter in the Caribbean.  

Ok, if the Oday 25 is even a consideration then my own boat an S2 7.9 would be better than everything else mentioned. It's heavy built. It draws only 18" of water (super easy to launch) it's self righting with the centerboard up (yes provable) it draws a whopping 5' centerboard down, so it goes upwind like mad the cockpit is HUGE comes in inboard, and outboard versions has lots of room below, with a large V berth 5'8" headroom below a proper space for a head. Downside, it weighs in 4700lbs boat/sails/rigging and motor. Add about 1000 for trailer and maybe another 500ish for gear? 6200lbs? all up? Trailers nicely though (nice and low on the road). I would not want to rig/derig the boat even for long weekends though, but then most of these others I'd put in that category too. The S2 7.9 is also probably the most robustly built of the list so far mentioned, and frankly the best sailing, and fastest. Although if the 7.9 is too big, consider the 6.9 (everything good about the 7.9 in a smaller package, except it isn't self righting board up).  

SHNOOL said: The S2 7.9 is also probably the most robustly built of the list so far mentioned, and frankly the best sailing, and fastest. Although if the 7.9 is too big, consider the 6.9 (everything good about the 7.9 in a smaller package, except it isn't self righting board up). Click to expand...

chip said: It may be technically possible, and if you wanted a small, simple sailboat for a long time, it might be worth figuring out how to add a sliding door to the ~8 sq feet of bulkhead in a C22, but you said in your original post that you wanted to learn how to sail and possibly move up to something bigger down the road. If that's the goal, I suggest just getting something that meets your needs and sailing the hell out of it now. You'll get farther faster by actually sailing than you will wasting time and money renovating something that doesn't really work for you, in my opinion. Click to expand...

deniseO30 said: CJ, STOP! Take 5. Notice how you are already thinking larger than you were at the beginning of this discussion? Click to expand...

Denise: Looking for a stand up head already suggests you the couple will not be happy very long on a boat with a portapotty cooler, and crawl or stoop headroom. Click to expand...

sesmith said: I also have a Dodge Dakota (4.7L) V8. Fine for towing either of the above boats, undersized for something the size of a Seaward 25, larger Oday, etc. That said, the Dakota is one tough truck. I used to use it to haul my Seaward 25 to Lake Ontario, Champlain, and up to Lake Huron's North Channel. I recently replaced it with an Expediton...much better suited to the job. Click to expand...

Minnesail said: Regarding sleeping size and your 6' 3" vs my 5' 9" - you might want to look for the newer ones. I think in 1985 they rearranged the interior, and in 1995 they actually made the boat bigger. Those newer ones would probably work better for you than my 1974. Click to expand...

Pendragon35 said: Catalina 22 is what I recommend for new sailing couples because they are so forgiving. If you go out and the wind kicks up and you are sorting out reefing or you didn't because you ARE new and your wife is getting that OMG look...the boat will just round up and refuse to go. She will save you from you, until you get better. Click to expand...

I have an Alberg 35 now, love it, wouldn't trade it for anything. But she's a ponderous, stately lady and somedays, I miss that little CAtalina. Simple fun. Click to expand...

Don't really need heavier or more robust for the Hudson river or Lake George. Most common danger is a lack of wind!!  

I think I saw the same write-up on adding a sliding door in front of the v-berth, and it was something I thought I was going to want to do to mine. But after sailing with it for a year, nah. Not needed. It's not like we're out at sea for a week at a time, for the few times the potty is needed the curtain works fine. And let's be frank, on a boat this size even a door isn't going to offer much privacy. You'd still want to use the shore toilet when possible. Regarding sleeping size and your 6' 3" vs my 5' 9" — you might want to look for the newer ones. I think in 1985 they rearranged the interior, and in 1995 they actually made the boat bigger. Those newer ones would probably work better for you than my 1974. And lastly, yeah, my boat is 42 years old. And the swing keel mechanism is in great shape. I lifted it this year and dropped the keel and it was nearly perfect. There was a slight bit of wear on the pin, more of a polished spot really, and just some slight wearing in the hole in the keel. The keel itself was a mess of rust and old paint, but the swing mechanism was great. From my research the problem keels seem to be those that live on a saltwater mooring. I don't know my boat's whole history, but for the last decade or so it's been on a freshwater mooring for five months out of the year and that doesn't seem to have hurt it any. It doesn't have either the new assembly or the keel spacers that Catalina Direct sells.  

You will also need things that you din't think you would need when you bought it. Expect to pay an additional $3000 for stuff you never thought you would need: 1. You will need a motor of some kind. While its a horrid thing to say, the reality is that sailing is often just slow motorboating: motoring out of the slip or mooring to where there is air, motoring back to the slip or mooring from air, motoring when the air stops altogether, motoring to some place fast and directing to get away from a storm, motoring when you don't have time to tack to get to some place which is directly into the wind, etc. Without a motor, you will eventually get into some deep doo-doo. I would recommend a extra long shaft(25 inch) 6 hp Tohatsu. The extra long shaft will allow you to go forward or even have two people forward without taking the impeller out of the water, and blowing up your engine, and it will keep it deep enough to, a) not be affect by chop, and b) get it below the stern, making backing up much more effective. Don't run ethanol gas in it or you will eventually be very very unhappy, and do run it with a double dose of Blue marine Stabil. 2. You will need clothing and gear at the least, coat and pants rain gear, gloves, may be boots. Depending on the conditions you sail, you may need a drysuit. Drysuits cost $650, and for most sailing are not necessary, but in you should fall in, or if you want to sail late or early in the season, or if the weather gets bad, they can be literally a life-saver. 3. There will be repairs you need to make and additions. For example, if you get tired of trailoring(my wife did very very early) and you end up mooring, the plastic cleat on the bow will not longer work and you will need to put in a real 6 inch SS cleat through the deck. For Mooring you will want your own 6 foot dyneema pendant($137) to connect to whatever the mooring has. You may need to add more cleats mid ships, or to handle lines going into the cockpit. I needed to add a couple of bow eyes so that I could connect the dinghy directly to the starboard side and not worry about it slipping away while I was trying to board. The list is almost endless. But believe me that even in a small boat, that winters in your yard, there will be expenses you never thought of. Our yacht club membership is $500. Where I am you don't rent a mooring, you buy it. And so this year I had to pay the guy who inspects all the moorings for the town $400 to replace the chain and connections to the 2500 lb block of granite, since the half inch galvanized chain was no longer galvanized and had worn to less than 1/4 inch in some places. The smaller the boat you buy, the less additional expenses you will have each year.  

That does it. The sailing libido has been killed :-( Too true about the size though. I think their's a mathamatical formula that squares the cost with increased "foot-itis". Gotta spend your hard earned cash somewhere...might as well be sailing.  

I had a hunter 23 It was touted as a trailer Sailer but it was around two thousand pounds The Mast was heavy the boat sat high on the trailer I had it for 11 months and sold it. was initially looking for a 35 foot boat about 12 years ago,  

Yea, the 23 would not be my idea of a trailerable boat. The 23.5 /240 and 260 are all swing keels and sit low on the trailer. Easy to launch. Seaward 23 isn't bad either.  

Well I sailed both and I disagree. On paper maybe. But PRF Number are not the whole story. Reading on the Catalina direct forums consensus seems to be the wing keel is slower. Some say the wing keel PRF number is 260. https://www.catalinadirect.com/forums/fr_topic.cfm?topic_id=377 The Capri is more a racer because it has a fractional rig. If the wind gets too strong you can bend the mast. In THAT sense it is a racer and the Mark 1 is a cruiser. The MK1 is a mast head rig. In high winds, I bet the Capri shows its stuff. I was mostly out on it in light winds and it was family sailing so we got her sailing and then sat around talking, not racing. Now on my own boat I have a bunch of different head sails and I have a new main sail. Same light wind day - I put a bigger light weight head sail on - and especially going up wind, my old Mark 1 is faster than that Capri. The Mk1 boats also vary in speed from boat to boat, this is well known - mine might be a "fast" one. Relative to another one. Now a J 22 in my marina makes my boat look like its standing still. The rental place argued with me as well but GPS don't lie. All I can say is I was hoping for all this extra speed and it was on balance, pretty much the same.Again it was a wing keel as well. BTW - I really have nothing invested in the idea that the C22 is as fast or slow as any other boat including a Capira... I'm sure in the world of 22 footers its on the slower end. This was just my real world experience with the 2 boats. YMMV I also disagree that the fixed keel boat is the one to own. Selection of a swing keel is about trailering, which the OP brought up. If I went fixed, there might be other boats to look at.  

Sal Paradise said: Well I sailed both and I disagree. On paper maybe. But PRF Number are not the whole story. Click to expand...

When two different rating systems rate one boat significantly faster than another, based on tons of real world races in all sorts of conditions, I am inclined to think that the faster rated boat is generally faster. Obviously some boats are better in certain conditions and some skippers are better than others, but one guy renting a boat and finding it slow does not mean that the class is slow. Capri 22s are empirically faster than Catalina 22s on average.  

You are looking at Fin Keel numbers. There is Much debate about how much to handicap the wing keel but its considered slow.  

No, I am not looking at fin keel numbers. When I wrote "Capri 22 WK" the WK stood for w ing k eel. You're right that the fin is faster than the wing, but all Capri 22 configurations are faster than Catalina 22s by a wide margin. CAPRI 22 (fin): 201 CAPRI 22 TM (tall mast): 195 CAPRI 22 WK (wing keel): 213 vs CATALINA 22 (swing): 276 CATALINA 22 NONSPIN: 282 CATALINA 22-2 WK (wing keel): 282 Again, these are PHRF New England base handicaps. They vary a little by region, but the Capris are always faster. PHRF New England - Handicapping - Base Handicaps  

I can only speak to sailing the Catalina 22 as a first boat. It was my first "big" boat, the bigges thing I'd sailed before was a Lightning. I bought a 1974 Cat 22 in Seattle in 1976, kept it at a variety of docks and mostly sailed it out of a marina near the locks on Port Madison and the water between Shilshole and Bainbridge Island. I didn't know how to reef, dock or use an engine when I boubht that oat and my wife had never been sailing. We learned to anchor on the way to the San Juan islands; we learned to reef from a book and then made good on the lesson the first time the winds went over 10 knots. Catalina 22 is what I recommend for new sailing couples because they are so forgiving. If you go out and the wind kicks up and you are sorting out reefing or you didn't because you ARE new and your wife is getting that OMG look...the boat will just round up and refuse to go. She will save you from you, until you get better. I'm sure there are other, better built, faster, snazzier boats in the size range; personally? I love the Cape Dory Typhoons. But this isn't about me: this is about you. The Catalina 22 has stayed popular because while it isn't the best at any thing, it's good at everything, good enough to let you learn more or less safely, good enough to keep you interested, good enough to let you see what sailng can be. If that's racing...you'll sell her and get a race boat. If it's cruising, you'll get something fitted to where you want to cruise. If it's gunkholing, maybe something for that. But I bet everyone of us here, regardless of what we now sail, smiles when we see a Catalina 22 and mention happily: "I started out on one of those..." I have an Alberg 35 now, love it, wouldn't trade it for anything. But she's a ponderous, stately lady and somedays, I miss that little CAtalina. Simple fun.  

Pendragon35 said: I have an Alberg 35 now, love it, wouldn't trade it for anything. But she's a ponderous, stately lady and somedays, I miss that little CAtalina. Simple fun. Click to expand...

Thanks Chip. - the majority of my day sails are out and back maybe 15 miles total. Probably typical of Catalina day sails. Those are like 3.5/ 4 hour trips. So, it would be hard for me to notice that I got back 15 minutes sooner ( or maybe only 7.5 minutes because its out and back) - sure wasn't noticable. Just as important - more so actually - I think the Capri looks better, I like the smaller cabin it looks more modern and even a little salty. Also there is more deck space to walk around the shrouds and get up front. One of the flaws of a C22 is the tiny or almost no existent side deck space to go forward. I'd trade my C22 for a Capri for those reasons alone. heere is one for sale - looks like it will be very tough to launch. http://newhaven.craigslist.org/boa/5622743303.html  

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